September 17, 2017 at 12:58 am #10625
I use a Samsung Galaxy Tab A with the Element- App. When I use the Auto-EQ feature, the App takes nearly the measured Room- Response without any differences/ changes.
The speaker- measurement was ca. 25cm between tweeter and bass (Tab towards the speaker), the room- measurement at listening position, tab with micro upwards.
How can I “kill” the Boom at ca. 40 Hz? Thats what i expect from a Room- Measurement
Excuse my english, it is rusty.
- This topic was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by frale.
September 19, 2017 at 7:07 am #10659
do you use a subwoofer?
If not, I encountered the same problem as you. Below 80hz the room response was not corrected.
Till today, this problem persists but only when I measure the room with an android device.
see here:AutoEQ feature problem
As I used an Iphone, this problem went away. I think there is still a bug in the adroid app which prevents proper correction 🙁
So one thing you could do is to try an apple device for calibration and see what happens.
This is also interesting for me. If it works with an apple device, then I´m not the only one with this problem 🙂
September 19, 2017 at 2:01 pm #10665
Hello Frale and Kayos,
I found this video helpful to the process of using the Auto Blend and Calibration.
it is important to note that the intention of the calibration is not to flatten out the curve. When you take the near field measurement it shows what the speakers sounds like without room interference. Then when taken to the listen position(far field) it takes second measurement. The EQ then tries to match the farfield with the nearfield. It general we want the speakers to sound like the nearfield(the way the manufacture intended) in the listening position.
September 19, 2017 at 10:11 pm #10669
i dont have a apple device, i knew the video and i have no sub.
My speakers are too big for my room, but i love them, so i hoped a room eq will solve or reduce the problem with bass modes.
Why uses the app the room response without greater changes? Then it is the same without a measurement and useless. You say, most people want the nearfield response, so why took the app the room response?
I´m really disappointed.
Will there be the possibilty to manually change the eq in the next versions of the app?
September 20, 2017 at 2:58 am #10672
I can feel you. I too, have no apple device and to this point in time cannot get a proper EQ calibration.
And the funny thing is, that I use Equalizer APO and have dialed in my own EQ, which makes the a HUGE diffrence.
I very sad, that the auto EQ is not working for me and I would be so much happier, if I could insert my own EQ settings into the EA101eq-g.
Btw: I already suggested this a while back (suggestion: manual eq) which was completely ignored by Elac 🙁
September 22, 2017 at 10:18 pm #10712
the problem is solved: i sold the Amp.
Without a EQ- function it is just a nice but too expensive amp.
October 20, 2017 at 8:06 pm #11094
I apologize for hijacking the thread. I have a similar problem . I have the UF5’s with a Sonance 10-150 Sub. I am using an apple iPhone 6S and a Ipad mini to control the amp. I am getting little to no room correction with the amp as well. Maybe, I expected larger
drastic EQ and Phase alignment changes. When the EQ and Sub blend is toggled On and Off I hear very little change. I followed the video and I measured multiple time with both devices. Have a look and see if this is what a typical result should be.
October 20, 2017 at 8:08 pm #11095
I don’t think my image attached correctly last post. I apologize. Lets try this.
October 21, 2017 at 7:49 am #11100
@ Casimiro I still can´t see any attachment.
Regarding the Auto-EQ feature: This feature can only do so much. If your room is really shitty, the Auto-EQ might make it a bit more acceptable, but it will never be perfect. I think the Auto-EQ works best, when your room already sounds pretty decent. Then some slight EQ adjustment can give you an awesome linear frequency response. Maybe your room acoustics are already very good, then you would expect no change with the Auto-EQ.
October 21, 2017 at 8:36 pm #11109
@ Kayos, Somehow posting a photo on here has proven to be an embarrassing challenge. I agree with your statements on the Auto-EQ. I think my room sounds decent, not amazing, not shitty. I guess I was hoping for more dramatic low end management, which is a difficult task without treating spaces properly. Thanks for your response. Hope you are enjoying some tunes this weekend. I will try to post my screenshot again.
October 21, 2017 at 8:36 pm #11110
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October 23, 2017 at 6:24 am #11130
I had a look at your graph and there are two things that stood out.
The red line, which shows your room response, has a dip at 50hz and a small peak at around 80hz. The green line, which is your corrected response, strictly follows the green line. If there would have any eq correction taken place, this should not be the case. The green line should more closely follow the yellow line. So, in my opinion something is not working correctly.
Secondly, I realized that in your graph there are no separate responses for your speaker and sub. When I run the auto-eq measurement, I get separate close mic responses for the speaker and the sub. The lines for that are purple. They are missing in your graph. Are you sure, you told the app that you have a subwoofer connected?
October 23, 2017 at 6:21 pm #11154
I agree with everything you said. I saw online what other graphs looked like and thought maybe a software update had changed the graphics displayed. I then figured the amp had very few filters to apply and chose them poorly.
I tell the app I have a sub, choose size of speakers (cross over point). Take a near field response of both a main speaker and the sub. Then it goes through the phase shift measurement at listening position for the sub and then one far field measurement with both the mains and the sub. The resulting graph is what you see. I have run the procedure many times. I am at a loss.
Thank you for your time and insight.
October 26, 2017 at 10:01 am #11205
One more note of interest in my case, after running the aut-blend procedure The sub out volume on the app is always set at -12. That seems odd, as then I am in charge of blending the ratio of Sub to Mains. What would the point be of an Auto-Blend situation when the consumer is ultimately left to blend the system? Could someone from Elac please explain this and maybe provide some insight into my situation? Cheers.
October 26, 2017 at 10:58 am #11271
What subwoofer are you using? What is the volume level? The AutoBlend will lower the sub volume as needed to smoothen the curve. My thought are the volume of the sub maybe set too high that the amp is lowering the subvolume to compensate. try lower the sub volume and seeing if that sets the volume closer to zero.
As far still why we allow you to manually manage the sub volume. Factors like content, personal preference, and temporary listening may require more or less sub volume.
Let me know if this helps.
March 24, 2018 at 11:22 am #14649
Sorry for the long delay. Life got in the way of audio fun for the winter.
To answer your questions.
I am using a Sonance Sub 10-150. I have tried multiple levels of volume, with the sub turned almost all the way down the Auto blend will put the volume at a higher starting point. Although, the level I have to bring the Sonance Sub down to creates poor gain structure at the sub and it is noticeable when I turn the Elac up to rock out. I can’t find a happy medium between the sub volume and the system.
I have tried many different sub positions in the room, volume settings etc. I cannot get the room eq/blend fucntion to give me satisfactory eq and volume. I realize content and preference play into this but a tuned system should operate properly and this is just isn’t.
How many eq filters can the amp apply? How does the sub implement the filters? Are there variable Q settings for the filters?
I still don’t get results like the above comments say they do. I use an iphone and an ipad to operate the app and both give me similar results, or lack there of.
Thank you for your time.
March 24, 2018 at 1:09 pm #14651
Here is some additional info.
I have re-run the auto blend procedure today and here is the resulting graph. It shows a dip in the 50hz region for the measured far field, Why would the correction in green show a cut and execute a cut in eq there? Sonically the auto-eq and blend destroys the signal in the low end. I am at a loss. I can achieve a better low end situation using the low pass and volume on the sub itself.
Also, what spectrum does the Auto-EQ effect? the test tones run from the low mid range to sub info and does not test and mid to high range information?
I have also re-installed the app various times across an Iphone 6s and an Ipad mini with no different results.
Any ideas or help is appreciated, I feel like I am out of options for improvement.
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